5 Herbs that repel flies

 I found this at

http://naturehacks.com

5 Herbs That Repel Flies

by Nature Hacks

With warm weather in the air, we are all looking forward to grilling out, swimming pools, sun bathing, and just generally spending time outdoors. We’ve waited all winter for spring to get here. But those first few really warm days always greet us with an unpleasant, little problem.
Bugs! The warm weather brings out the bathing suits and suntan lotion, but it also brings out the pests! Mosquitos, ants, yellow jackets, and the grossest of all: flies! Flies are everywhere in the summer. Nothing ruins a good picnic quicker than flies covering the hotdogs! Most people will turn to harsh, chemical solutions this summer to try and solve this most annoying problem.
But what if you have kids around, or pets? Maybe you just don’t want to be surrounded by chemicals all summer. If you are one of the every growing number of people that wish to find a safer, more natural answer, then maybe this article will let you in on a few all natural tricks to repel the flies this summer.
Don’t underestimate the power of these natural alternatives to chemical pest control. Many of these herbal remedies are just as effective, if not more effective, than their chemical rivals on the store shelves. You should, however, use caution if any member of your family has an allergy to any of these herbs or if someone who spends significant time at your home has an allergy to these items. A little commonsense and a little research should have you well on your way to naturally controlling the flies at your home this summer.
Most people don’t realize how many all natural remedies there are for everyday problems, so they just reach for whatever chemical product is being sold. Did you know that there are many herbs that just naturally repel flies?

1. Basil

Anyone that knows anything about herbs knows that basil is great for cooking. It’s easy to grow and smells heavenly! Humans love Basil. But guess who hates, Basil? House flies. House flies are absolutely repelled by Basil. The best way to use this all natural remedy is to plant Basil by you external doorways. If you have a large outdoor picnic area, try using small planters of Basil on your picnic tables. You are serving two purposes at once. While grilling out you can easily access your Basil for cooking, and the flies will stay far away during your lovely, summer meal.

2. Bay Leaves

This is another herb loved by cooks worldwide. Nothing puts the finishing touch on a big pot roast like a few bay leaves thrown in. But once again, as much as we love it, flies hate it. Other insects hate it as well like earwigs and weevils, to name a few. Keep these herbs growing nearby to discourage pesky pests.

3. Lavender

Lavender is the ultimate herb for relaxation. The calming, soothing smell can really make a bubble bath a true spa experience. People have been using lavender for centuries to make their homes and clothing smell sweet. It is also used in quite a bit of cooking as well. Flies aren’t impressed with lavender, though. Hang some dried lavender decoratively around your home to keep away those buzzing buggers!

4. Tansy

Tansy is not as well-known as some of the other herbs we’ve listed here. Tansy was used in ancient times as a strewing herb because it was believed to have cleansing properties. Tansy is a nice foundation plant for household landscaping as it looks very similar to marigolds. Tansy has the added benefit that it repels flies, though. Flies are not the only pests that find Tansy repellant. Ants, fleas and moths will also stay clear if this plant is around. An extra bonus is that this plant will even discourage mice from hanging around.

5. Pennyroyal

This may be one of the most versatile of herbs. This member of the mint family repels flies, mosquitoes and fleas. However, when planted on your property, and specifically around the foundation of your home, this interesting herb can help ward off mice and ants as well! Instead of killing two birds with one stone you’ll be repelling five pests with one herb! You should use caution if you choose to plant this herb around your home, however. Pennyroyal can be dangerous for children and pets in large amounts if it is consumed. Please keep this in mind when using pennyroyal.

Clean and Green

When you choose a more natural path in your home, you can have more peace of mind that your family will be safe from harmful chemicals and strange side effects. People don’t realize that there is almost always a natural alternative to chemical solutions when it comes to pest control, cleaning supplies, and many other household items. A little research and attention can go a long way to preserving your families’ health this summer.
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Earth Day 2013

I hope that you took part in Earth Day this year. any thing from joining an even to planting your own garden. Me, I took part in the Stockton Earth Day at the park. From farm coops and garden clubs to free music. It was a wonderful day to take part of the community.

Stockton, CA

Earth Day 2013

 Earth Day free music

 Farm Fresh To You

farmfreshtoyou.com

Check them out and order your fresh food today.
Use code 6040

 Reuse of cardboard box's to create a fort for kids.

 ReStore
Habitat for Humanity
Love this store, it is great to donate old good condition stuff or pick something up.
ReUse, ReCycle, and support your community.
Located
1038 W. Fremont St
Stockton, CA
restore@sjchabitat.org
www.sjchabitat.org
(209)-463-1043

 Brookside Bobcats
represent at the Stockton Earth Day

 Stockton California, is providing community gardening that provides a service of fresh food. Located at the Port of Stockton, they are happy to have volunteers to work the garden.

earthwatch.org
Earth Watch showed up at the Stockton Earth Day

 Brookside Bobcats
represented at the Stockton Earth Day, with their reuse of old shoes as flower pots.

 At the Earth Day they had a great butterfly release. The kids loved it. A great way to celebrate spring and the Earth...

 Compose the uses of old for new soil.

 Teens encouraging people to eat real food.
These girls reminded me of
Jamie's Food Revolution

I don't know these girls but I am so pround of them just the same.

 Farm Fresh To You
farmfreshtoyou.com

Order fresh fruit and vegetables delivered to you weekly or monthly.
There is nothing like fresh from the vine food. Go to the web site and check it out.
Use Code 6040

Earth Day in Stockton, California 2013

smart pot / raised garden

Organic Hydro Fabric Growing Pots

Last year I used this large size black fabric growing pot for my vegetables.  Some may worry about root rout. Truth is that any thing you over water will become a problem. This pot not only kept gofers from getting into the garden but raised it for easier care.

These bags or pots, come in many sizes and are quite convenient.

 The Smart Pot is a fabric container with the rigidity to maintain its shape and provide aeration to your plants and their root structures better than plastic, clay, or raised beds. The containers' porous fabric allows heat to escape, alleviating heat stress, and drains well, avoiding soggy plants that cannot thrive.
Grow cucumbers, potatoes, summer squash, eggplant and tomato's in this 15 gallon container. You don't need a lot of space, either, this planter fits nicely on a porch, patio, or balcony.                                                      
                     
Grow bags are light weight, durable, and easy to care for.

 I love the video's posted by this guy, they are always so informative.

No Assembly Required Raised Bed Kit: The Big Bag Bed Smart Pot Fabric Container Garden

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John from http://www.growingyourgreens.com/ shows you how easy it is to set up

This year I am using and reusing stuff I have already. These bags are good year after year and are great for year round gardening.



























   

Jar Testing For Soil Type

 

I found this on facebook. Haven't tried it yet but I am going to check it out.

youtube storage tub turned into a green house

I cut squares out of the lid for the tub.
Placed plastic panels on top to create a green house.
This way the plants can get sun light while protected from the wind and unusual storms.
As the plants grow the lid can be removed.
Thanks For Watching
Keep on fallowing my blog.

Live Life Love Life

Hemp House and the many uses of.......

Before reading this I wish to say I am not advocating marijuana, I am only providing information. Life is a learning process. Sometimes it is more important to look at the whole picture before making a judgment.
Being self sufficient and learning how to live on our own resources is very important.
I found this information on facebook Canadian Survival and Prepping.
Personally, I never even heard of Hempcrete or solar windows made with Hemp Plastic. But then again I live in California and the only public thing I hear is marijuana. In a world at threat with obesity you would think that stuff like chemically altered food to make you hungry would be outlawed first. Diet drink do more harm and provide no nutrient for us at all. Yet they are in every store for sale. I'm just saying may be it is time to think out of the box for some answers.

Thank you for fallowing.

Canadian Survival and Prepping shared The Mind Unleashed's photo.

Legalize research and cultivation of industrial hemp

(Hemp does not produce the "high")
So, why is it illegal?
Because fuel companies would lose TRILLIONS in profit, while the quality of life for everyone else would rise dramatically. It would create millions of jobs, as well as make our reliance foreign fuels non-existent.

Some think that is the "real reason" behind marijuana laws is so they can keep industrial hemp illegal despite it's many uses and positive impact it would have on our society.

Some estimate that the global market for hemp consists of more than 25,000 products in nine submarkets: agriculture; textiles; recycling; automotive; furniture; food/nutrition/beverages; paper; construction materials; and personal care.
It can be grown as a fiber, seed, or other dual-purpose crop. Hemp fibers are used in a wide range of products, including fabrics and textiles, yarns and raw or processed spun fibers, paper, carpeting, home furnishings, construction and insulation materials, auto parts, and composites. The interior stalk (hurd) is used in various applications such as animal bedding, raw material inputs, low-quality papers, and composites. Hemp seed and oilcake are used in a range of foods and beverages, and can be an alternative food protein source. Oil from the crushed hemp seed is an ingredient in a range of body-care products and also nutritional supplements. Hemp seed is also used for industrial oils, cosmetics and personal care, and pharmaceuticals, among other composites.

http://www.nebraskaideas.com/agriculture-and-natural-resources/legalize-research-and-cultivation-of-industrial-hemp

Video::The Power of Hemp and its countless uses::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vZvFE53JzDk

Earth Day

This weekend is Earth Day. Look for an even in your area to visit and share what you learn.

I have shared some info on Earth day see what you can find.


Stockton, California

Earth Day Festival

Event Type: Festivals & Fairs

Date: Sunday, April 21, 2013
Time: 11:00am - 4:00pm 
Location: Victory Park 
North Pershing Avenue and Argonne Drive,
behind Haggin Museum, Stockton 

More information to come!

This is the premiere environmental event in all of San Joaquin County, and as always, the focus of the day long festival is to educate you about taking care of our natural resources - the earth, air and water. The Festival will have dozens of informative, interactive booths, displays and exhibits, plus there will be plenty of great food and exotic crafts. Begin the day with Yoga on the park green at 10 am. Join the hundreds of cyclists who will bike as part of the Family Fun Bike Ride and Parade. Registration is at 10:30 am. Or just come for the entertainment and the official start of the Festival at 11 am, which will feature colorful ethnic dance groups and great area bands. It is a fun day for families, and best of all, admission is free. 

Earth Day in Hopland on April 21, 2012

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This Saturday, Earth Day, April 21, 2012, is going to be crazy busy in Hopland, the wine area
EARTH DAY CALENDAR OF EVENTS FOR APRIL 21 IN HOPLAND
EARTH DAY FESTIVAL 2012 at the SOLAR LIVING INSTITUTE; join Hopland Passport participating wineries BRUTOCAO, GRAZIANO, JAXON KEYS, MCFADDEN, MCNAB RIDGE, MILANO, PARDUCCI, SARACINA, TERRA SAVIA, and WEIBEL plus other eco conscious wineries and food providers from 11:00 am – 5:00 pm for this FREE celebration of sustainability.
Dog Hike, box lunch, and wine tasting at SARACINA with winery owner John Fetzer. 10:00am – 1:00pm, $25 person or $45 couple.
NELSON FAMILY VINEYARDS wine club blending party with a catered lunch. 12:00 pm – 3:00 pm, $35 person – wine club only.
SIP! MENDOCINO tasting of all ten 2008 Coro Mendocino wines, including Hopland Passport participating wineries BRUTOCAO, MCFADDEN, MCNAB RIDGE, PARDUCCI, and WEIBEL. 6:00 pm – 8:00 pm, $20 person or FREE with a SIP! MENDOCINO wine club membership.
MCNAB RIDGE WINERY Wine Club Winemaker’s Dinner with Rich Parducci at the North Street Cafe in Ukiah, 6:30 pm reception, 7:00 pm dinner, $75 person.
PIZZERIA de CAMPOVIDA, grand opening weekend, wood-fired pizza and hand crafted brews at the TAVERNA, at PIAZZA de CAMPOVIDA.

Sacramento Earth Day 2013

"learn ... commit ... act!"

Sunday, April 21, 2013, 11 a.m. to 4 p.m, at Southside Park

Come and Learn!

Over 100 tables and vendors! Our 7th Annual Celebration will be filled with diverse business, non-profit, cultural and government vendors with practical information, goods and services for saving money, living healthier, and protecting the environment.

Enjoy great entertainment! Five live bands: Fenix (Afro-Cuban drum & dance) ... The Trist (contemporary rock) ... The James Israel Band (political rock) ... Fo'shange (fusion & spoken word) ... The New Traditionalists (jazz).

Tasty cuisine! Sample vegan food from Rainbow Snow ... Xochimilco Mexican Restaurant ... Roots N Kulchah ... El Papagayo Mexcian Grill ... Abyssinia Ethiopian Restaurant ... Plum Cafe & Bakery ... Dave Pops ... & more.

Use sustainable transportation! Bike, walk, run or use transit to come to the event. Safe, secure, and free valet bicycle parking provided onsite by the Sacramento Area Bicycle Advocates!

Join the crowd! We're expecting an attendance of more than 4,000 at this year's Earth Day Celebration. Please join us as we learn how to be better stewards of the planet, commit to living sustainably, and act to reduce our impact on the environment. 

 

Welcome To Earth Day SF 2013
Celebrate Earth Day in the Heart of San Francisco,
The "Greenest City in North America"Saturday, April 20, 2013 10am to 6pm at Civic Center Plaza
 

This unique Festival packs powerful green sustainability discussions, activism, workshops and solutions into one full day of fun, excitement and amazing performance. Designed to support the Bay Area Community and beyond, Earth Day San Francisco focuses on acknowledging the local and planetary environmental challenges we all face, and inviting the public to integrate sustainable practices into their everyday lives.

E.D.S.F. is a  FREE daylong festival  featuring :

Our Earth Mother Stage comes alive with “Edutainment” throughout the day from POOR MANS WHISKEY, ALBINO! [Afro Funk], Earth Amplified [Eco Hip Hop], The Cosmos Percussion Orchestra,  Haunted by Heroes [Youth Rock], Classical Revolution and many other amazing top-notch performers!!! 

Speakers
Star Hawk - Activist & Author;   Pamm Larry - Label GMO's Campaign;  350.org - Joshua Russell;  Sierra Club - Michelle Myers;   San Francisco Supervisor Avalos;  Stacy Malkan - Campaign for Safe Cosmetics;  Kevin Connelly - Earth Island Institute;  Darian Rodriguez Heyman - Social Media for Nonprofits;  Marc Armstrong - Public Banking Institute;   Laura Wells - Green Party candidate for Governor......Visit the SPEAKERS page for a full list

The public will experience hands on Green Do-It-Yourself projects, E.V. Transportation Zone, Eco Fashion Shows, A Permaculture Village, Holistic Wellness Village, Amazing Eco Art, Sustainable/solar powered Beer and Wine Gardens, over 80 earth friendly vendors, Eco Youth Zone, Two kiddie playground and lots more!!!

Thank you to our dedicated Sponsors, who enable this amazing event to come to life:

Chevrolet ‘Volt’, Opera Software, Sierra Nevada Brewing Co., Microsoft, Verizon, Sungevity, Green Smart Living, Whole Foods Market, K.O.F.Y TV-20, Odwalla, Burning Man Project, Naked Juice, Lucky Supermarkets and over 20 progressive in-kind Green nonprofits.

About Us > Earth Day Network > Earth Day History

Earth Day: The History of A Movement

Each year, Earth Day -- April 22 -- marks the anniversary of what many consider the birth of the modern environmental movement in 1970.
The height of hippie and flower-child culture in the United States, 1970 brought the death of Jimi Hendrix, the last Beatles album, and Simon & Garfunkel’s “Bridge Over Troubled Water”. Protest was the order of the day, but saving the planet was not the cause. War raged in Vietnam, and students nationwide increasingly opposed it.
At the time, Americans were slurping leaded gas through massive V8 sedans. Industry belched out smoke and sludge with little fear of legal consequences or bad press. Air pollution was commonly accepted as the smell of prosperity. “Environment” was a word that appeared more often in spelling bees than on the evening news.  Although mainstream America remained oblivious to environmental concerns, the stage had been set for change by the publication of Rachel Carson's New York Times bestseller Silent Spring in 1962.  The book represented a watershed moment for the modern environmental movement, selling more than 500,000 copies in 24 countries and, up until that moment, more than any other person, Ms. Carson raised public awareness and concern for living organisms, the environment and public health.
Earth Day 1970 capitalized on the emerging consciousness, channeling the energy of the anti-war protest movement and putting environmental concerns front and center.
The idea came to Earth Day founder Gaylord Nelson, then a U.S. Senator from Wisconsin, after witnessing the ravages of the 1969 massive oil spill in Santa Barbara, California. Inspired by the student anti-war movement, he realized that if he could infuse that energy with an emerging public consciousness about air and water pollution, it would force environmental protection onto the national political agenda. Senator Nelson announced the idea for a “national teach-in on the environment” to the national media; persuaded Pete McCloskey, a conservation-minded Republican Congressman, to serve as his co-chair; and recruited Denis Hayes as national coordinator. Hayes built a national staff of 85 to promote events across the land.
As a result, on the 22nd of April, 20 million Americans took to the streets, parks, and auditoriums to demonstrate for a healthy, sustainable environment in massive coast-to-coast rallies. Thousands of colleges and universities organized protests against the deterioration of the environment. Groups that had been fighting against oil spills, polluting factories and power plants, raw sewage, toxic dumps, pesticides, freeways, the loss of wilderness, and the extinction of wildlife suddenly realized they shared common values.
Earth Day 1970 achieved a rare political alignment, enlisting support from Republicans and Democrats, rich and poor, city slickers and farmers, tycoons and labor leaders. The first Earth Day led to the creation of the United States Environmental Protection Agency and the passage of the Clean Air, Clean Water, and Endangered Species Acts. "It was a gamble," Gaylord recalled, "but it worked."
As 1990 approached, a group of environmental leaders asked Denis Hayes to organize another big campaign. This time, Earth Day went global, mobilizing 200 million people in 141 countries and lifting environmental issues onto the world stage. Earth Day 1990 gave a huge boost to recycling efforts worldwide and helped pave the way for the 1992 United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro. It also prompted President Bill Clinton to award Senator Nelson the Presidential Medal of Freedom (1995) -- the highest honor given to civilians in the United States -- for his role as Earth Day founder.
As the millennium approached, Hayes agreed to spearhead another campaign, this time focused on global warming and a push for clean energy. With 5,000 environmental groups in a record 184 countries reaching out to hundreds of millions of people, Earth Day 2000 combined the big-picture feistiness of the first Earth Day with the international grassroots activism of Earth Day 1990. It used the Internet to organize activists, but also featured a talking drum chain that traveled from village to village in Gabon, Africa, and hundreds of thousands of people gathered on the National Mall in Washington, DC. Earth Day 2000 sent world leaders the loud and clear message that citizens around the world wanted quick and decisive action on clean energy.
Much like 1970, Earth Day 2010 came at a time of great challenge for the environmental community. Climate change deniers, well-funded oil lobbyists, reticent politicians, a disinterested public, and a divided environmental community all contributed to a strong narrative that overshadowed the cause of progress and change. In spite of the challenge, for its 40th anniversary, Earth Day Network reestablished Earth Day as a powerful focal point around which people could demonstrate their commitment. Earth Day Network brought 225,000 people to the National Mall for a Climate Rally, amassed 40 million environmental service actions toward its 2012 goal of A Billion Acts of Green®, launched an international, 1-million tree planting initiative with Avatar director James Cameron and tripled its online base to over 900,000 community members.
The fight for a clean environment continues in a climate of increasing urgency, as the ravages of climate change become more manifest every day. We invite you to be a part of Earth Day and help write many more victories and successes into our history. Discover energy you didn't even know you had. Feel it rumble through the grassroots under your feet and the technology at your fingertips. Channel it into building a clean, healthy, diverse world for generations to come.

 

On A Sad Note (Boston Marathon)

My heart goes out to all the people involved in the bombing at the Boston Marathon. When I lived in the mountains off grid I heard and saw very little of the devastation that was happening around the world. With the occasional up date from phone calls with family and seeing a headline in a news paper I was sheltered from the sadness of things people do. Should I even say people? It is hard to understand why anyone would attach people they do not even know. From shootings at movie theaters to this bombing. There is too much to even mention.

Things like this have encouraged me to become self sustainable. Danger is every where yet if we do not get out and enjoy life are we really living it. For me the best I can do right now is by not letting sadness get me down. Live Life and Love Life it is what we make of it.  Focus on being part of a community that shares the same ideas of gardening, sustainability, education, and enjoying life. There is so much more to life than these things I mentioned, like Family.

You cant live life being afraid of what might happen, so make a change starting with you. Take a moment and think about what is important to you. Not to mention what thought makes you happy.  I have been collecting ladybugs from my front yard and moving them into the garden. They fly away I know but I love seeing them in the garden. Not to mention the good they do for the garden. Even though I am in the city right now I find my joy in the garden. Working on ways to become self sustainable. I encourage every one to find their joy in their life.

Live Life Love Life

Build a temp green house for green beans

Thanks for watching.

earthship sustainable living homes

 Earthship Homes

These are some of the latest plans from Earthship/Biotecture, Mike Reynolds' planning company. This is called a "Castle Earthship" and is the more basic of three new plans. A more advanced plan includes a two story jungle greenhouse.

  Earthships: Radically sustainable buildings made with recycled materials

". . . the Earthship is the epitome of sustainable design and construction.
No part of sustainable living has been ignored in this ingenious building."

Earthships can be built in any part of the world and still provide electricity, potable water, contained sewage treatment and sustainable food production.

The Most Versatile and Economical sustainable green building design in the world.	Earthship Biotecture is beyond LEED Architecture. Earthships are green buildings that meet standard building codes.
EarthshipBiotecture is based on the work of principal architect, Michael Reynolds. (see: media resume)	Our construction drawings are designed to meet standard building code requirements so you can get a permit no matter where you are.

			Design & Construction   This is a life style change for most people. Learning more abut being self sustainable makes this a great idea.

baby carrots

Baby Carrots:
The following is information from a farmer who grows and packages carrots for IGA
, METRO, LOBLAWS, etc.

The small cocktail (baby) carrots you buy in small plastic bags are made using the larger crooked or deformed carrots which are put through a machine which cuts and shapes them into cocktail carrots - most people probably know this already.

What you may not know and should know is the following:
Once the carrots are cut and shaped into cocktail carrots they are dipped in a solution of water and chlorine in order to preserve them (this is the same chlorine used in your pool).

Since they do not have their skin or natural protective covering, they give them a higher dose of chlorine.

You will notice that once you keep these carrots in your refrigerator for a few days, a white covering will form on the carrots. This is the chlorine which resurfaces. At what cost do we put our health at risk to have esthetically pleasing vegetables?

Chlorine is a very well-known carcinogen, which causes Cancer. I thought this was worth passing on. Pass it on to as many people as possible in hopes of informing them where these carrots come from and how they are processed.

raised garden planting video

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100% of all utility electric capacity added in march

What a milestone!

For the first time, solar energy accounted for all new utility electricity generation capacity added to the U.S. grid last month, according to FERC’s March 2013 “Energy Infrastructure Update.”

More than 44 megawatts (MW) of solar electric capacity was brought online from seven projects in California, Nevada, New Jersey, Hawaii, Arizona, and North Carolina. All other energy sources combined added no new generation.

http://www.seia.org/news/new-federal-report-shows-solar-achieved-history-march

Flowers at Iron Stone Winery in California

I had a wonderful day out and would like to share my photo's with you.
Thanks for watching.

Solar Living Institute youtube learning sustainable living in California.

This place is great. You can learn so much and even get involved with working hands on. This is also known as the Real Goods Store. Educating the world about sustainable living.

The Eden Project on youtube

I learned about this last year watching TED conference. I  love the shape of the panels and the use for a green house. Wish we had a place like this in the United States to visit.

youtube Organic fertilizer

Fertilizer - Modern Marvels - History Channel Documentary

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Planting mishap please learn from my mistake

Hi everyone, I planted some of my squash last week placing a chicken wire fence for it to climb on. Unfortunately, after planting and being so proud of my work a wind storm came up. The wind storm blew down my fence taking two plants out of the ground.

As sad of a moment it was for me to see my plants messed up, I got back to work and tried to care for the plants. With a little work and love I hope they will be fine. This weekend I am going to start planting Tomato's.

With a little work I hope these plants will recover.

As much as I hate making mistakes I think it is more important to learn from them. I share my mistake so that may be others can avoid the same problem. Now the plants are not loosely tied to the fence and can grow up the fence on its own.